Being determined to further my understanding and enjoyment of this set of WW2 rules, I have managed three games in the last couple of weeks. Two have been solo, and a third was with my old opponent Paul, being in fact a game of Battlegroup Kursk rather than a game of Battlegroup Blitzkrieg. The overall conclusion is that I continue to enjoy these rules and will definitely stick with them, but I think it might be worth sharing some thoughts about how the games went.
Game 1 - Defence Line
Playing this solo, I selected the following forces, making this a platoon level action. The numbers after the units indicate points/battle rating.
Playing this solo, I selected the following forces, making this a platoon level action. The numbers after the units indicate points/battle rating.
Poles
Forward HQ 23/3 (senior officer, spotter)
Cavalry patrol 17/1 (scout, brawura)
Infantry platoon 1 102/7 (officer, runner)
HMG team 16/1
Light mortar team 14/1
ATR team 8/1
ATG with tow 19/2
Infantry platoon 2 (2 infantry squads only)
72/5 (officer, runner)
ATR team 8/1
ATG with tow 19/2
2 Trenches 20/0, 2 ATG dugout 40/0
TKS platoon, 2 mg, 1 20mm 32/3
7tp platoon, 37mm 87/6
Forward observer team (spotter) 16/1
Off table mortar battery, 2 81mm 54/0
545 points, 3 officers, Battle Rating 34.
Germans
Forward HQ 24/3 (senior officer, spotter)
Sdkfz 221 16/1 (scout, spotter)
Sdkfz 231 24/1 (scout, spotter)
Kradschutzen recce patrol (scout, m/c) 39/2
Infantry platoon 112/8 (officer, runner)
HMG team 17/1
ATR team 12/1
ATG with tow 19/2
PzI platoon (officer) 40/3
PzII platoon (officer) 55/6
Medium Tank platoon (2 PzIII, 1 PzIV) 90/9
Forward observer team (officer, spotter)
21/1
Off table mortar battery, 3 80mm 81/0
550 points, 6 officers, Battle Rating 38
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| The game was set up with the Germans attacking from the near baseline. Table size 6' x 5'. German scout units plus the allowed 3 other units (in this case 3 PzIIs) have been deployed. Objectives were the copse on the near ridge, the road junction and the church on the far ridge. The roll for the number of Polish defenders was reasonable: two anti-tank guns plus infantry were deployed, but there were still some empty trenches near the road junction. |
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| The 20mm cannons on the PzIIs are very effective against infantry and gun teams. The Polish 37mm by the road junction was quickly silenced. |
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| Polish reinforcements arrive in the shape of three 7tps. |
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| A tank action develops in front of the rearmost ridge. The Germans suffered some casualties, but a timely air attack from an HS-123 turned the tide. |
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| As can be seen, the Germans managed to take the copse and associated ridge feature. Infantry, PzIIs and mortars had co-operated well. The road junction fell shortly afterwards. The HS-123 hung around for a strafing run but this had little effect. |
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| Despite significant German losses (20 /38), by German turn 9 the Poles had exceeded their battle rating and the game was over. All the Polish armour and anti-tank guns were destroyed. |
Thoughts on the game
'Defence Line' is one of the 4 standard scenarios included in the core rulebook. The number of defending units on board at game start, and therefore the number of reserves which will arrive later, are decided by dice roll. This a departure from the more usual procedure of deciding defenders and reserves first, then rolling for the arrival move of the reserves. I thought it was an interesting twist and meant the scenario would produce a different game each time.
The rate of arrival of both German and Polish reserves is also diced for - one gets D6 units per move. I thought this not such a good rule - some command confusion is always welcome, but I felt the possibility of having units arrive in dribs and drabs a bit unrealistic. Formations tended to march together, after all. However, the initial moves of this scenario proceed quickly, and reinforcements are soon arriving. The Germans have the advantage of the Panzermarsch! rule, which means on one turn they can roll an extra D6 for reinforcements. At least, I use this rule, although the rulebook suggests it should only be used for France.
At this point on the learning curve, keeping track of the various campaign special rules can be a problem, but this will improve. I am considering making the arrival of an air attack more probable once the appropriate battle counter has been picked. This is a rare enough event in itself, and allowing just a 5 or 6 roll to allow the attack to arrive seems a bit mean - in fact, for the Poles, a 6 is required. A 4+ for the Germans and 5+ for the Poles might be better.
Game 2 - The Bridges at Zamosc
The background to this scenario, and forces for Blitzkrieg Commander, have already been described. I'll repeat the original map which inspired my battle.
Thoughts on the game
Despite also being played solo, I enjoyed this game immensely, and was pleased to see that a) workable rules for an armoured train in BGB could be developed, and b) armoured trains could be incorporated into a reasonable size game with success.
Game 3 - High Ground - Kursk
No photos of this game I'm afraid, which used another of the standard BG scenarios from the Kursk book, also to be found in the core rulebook. It was played with my old buddy Paul in Bristol, using his 20mm forces. We both chose simple armies of infantry and tanks, with no scout/recce units or off-table support. The game was played along the length of a 6' x 4' table.
The result was interesting. Tactically, it was perhaps uninspiring - the Germans advanced, engaged the dug-in Russian defenders as best they could, then took on the reinforcing Russian tanks when they arrived. Not much manoeuvre, more of a stand-up fight. But we had great fun, rolling the dice, wearing down the enemy and enjoying the twists and turns of the rules. For example, towards the end of the game my last surviving Panther moved forward, to then be engaged in flank by a T-34 hiding behind a burning Panzer IV. The Panther survived, was pinned, but then threw a 6 for morale, meaning it had a 'Beyond the Call of Duty' result. Accordingly, it immediately returned fire and knocked out the T-34!
The Germans lost soon after, as the Russians turned out to have just enough tanks to win the fight. The higher points values for vehicles mean that a platoon size game in 1943 has fewer units than one in 1939, so choices are restricted. This also seemed to mean that to reach one's battle rating, you have to lose significantly more than half your force, which in this battle gave a situation similar to those Old School battles from the 1960s when only a handful of figures survived on the winning side. This felt less than realistic, but we had plenty of good, knock-about fun.
What I came to realise during this battle, however, was that a well-rounded Battlegroup game depends on using the full variety of unit types and the full selection of available rules - or at least as many as you reasonably can. When I first acquired BGB I vowed not to bother with the ammo rules for vehicles - too much book keeping, I reckoned. Now I'm not so sure. Having to keep an eye on ammo consumption would have added an extra dimension to the game, perhaps moderating the non-stop shoot out that characterised most of the moves. One would have to think about alternative ways of getting the job done, which might increase the amount of manoeuvre in the game or encourage the purchase of off-table assets. And of course the purchase of a re-supply truck or two! I reckon using a couple of mini dice behind each tank to record ammo usage should be pretty painless.
The army lists provide many more alternatives that I should really be making use of - communications teams, off table artillery (expensive), timed fire missions/air strikes (a cheaper alternative to dedicated support), engineers, and logistic support (those resupply trucks). Lots of recce options are available as well.
Conclusions
I'm definitely enjoying these rules. Whether they're just a fairly lightweight WW2 game, or the heavily period specific, thorough representation that the rules introduction seems to promise, I'm not sure. Actually, I reckon it's both. A not-too-serious game which does try and get some campaign-specific character in.
Army Lists - grrr...
One thing I can't take too seriously are the army lists. These seem very precise and are beautifully laid out, but the choices don't always ring true. For example, my Germans can't have a motorcycle recce squad in 1939, but in 1940 they can. And despite 13 staffeln of HS-126s being deployed to Poland, I can't have an aerial artillery observer either. There are all kinds of little details like this. In short, the lists tend to be too proscriptive, and sometimes don't offer realistic alternatives. But this is always the way with army lists, and is the reason why I won't be offering them in my Seven Years' War rules. I'm pretty sure the authors are quite comfortable with people making their own choices, of course, and this is what most informed gamers will do, but it still makes the lists an occasionally inaccurate guide for the newcomer. And we all occasionally meet those misguided gamers to whom the lists are holy scripture.
Despite the pages of lists, actual OOBs of the various formations as they existed are absent. How does a German Light Division differ from a Panzer Division, for example? Or how was a Polish motorised brigade like the famous Black Brigade organised? No info. My own personal view is that such information is worth more than any number of army lists to a player new to the period. In addition, the rules do not require that units from the same platoon operate together in any way. Thus units from an infantry platoon can be scattered all over the table, even if they are the 2 units which are the components of the same 'squad' (e.g. the rifle group and mg group which make up a German infantry squad). For me, all this creates a situation where one gets rather divorced from reality, into a nether world of allowable army list choices.
Things are not helped by the rather interchangeable use of the terms 'squad', 'section', 'group' and 'team' when describing infantry units and their supports. Take the entry for a German infantry platoon on p.37. It consists of a command squad and then:
'Defence Line' is one of the 4 standard scenarios included in the core rulebook. The number of defending units on board at game start, and therefore the number of reserves which will arrive later, are decided by dice roll. This a departure from the more usual procedure of deciding defenders and reserves first, then rolling for the arrival move of the reserves. I thought it was an interesting twist and meant the scenario would produce a different game each time.
The rate of arrival of both German and Polish reserves is also diced for - one gets D6 units per move. I thought this not such a good rule - some command confusion is always welcome, but I felt the possibility of having units arrive in dribs and drabs a bit unrealistic. Formations tended to march together, after all. However, the initial moves of this scenario proceed quickly, and reinforcements are soon arriving. The Germans have the advantage of the Panzermarsch! rule, which means on one turn they can roll an extra D6 for reinforcements. At least, I use this rule, although the rulebook suggests it should only be used for France.
At this point on the learning curve, keeping track of the various campaign special rules can be a problem, but this will improve. I am considering making the arrival of an air attack more probable once the appropriate battle counter has been picked. This is a rare enough event in itself, and allowing just a 5 or 6 roll to allow the attack to arrive seems a bit mean - in fact, for the Poles, a 6 is required. A 4+ for the Germans and 5+ for the Poles might be better.
Game 2 - The Bridges at Zamosc
The background to this scenario, and forces for Blitzkrieg Commander, have already been described. I'll repeat the original map which inspired my battle.
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| Map © Miniature Wargames magazine. Thanks Henry. |
The first photo below shows how I adapted the map to my own terrain for a 1939 game. Rules for the armoured train needed to be developed from scratch - this was their first playtest. They have been posted on the BGB forum here. Forces for BGB were:
Poles
1. Forward HQ 25/3 (senior
officer, mortar spotter)
2. Armoured train no.51 270/17 (officer, spotter, communications)
T-18 draisine 10/1 (scout)
3. Wz.29 22/1 (scout, mortar
spotter)
Wz.34 mg x 2 20/2 (scout)
Infantry squad in 2 PF621 trucks 38/2
ATR team 8/1
HMG team in Lazik 20/1
4. Cavalry platoon 48/4 (officer, runner, brawura)
HMG in tazcanka 20/1
ATG with horse tow 19/2
TKS mg x 2 20/2
518 points, BR = 38, 3 officers, 4 scouts.
Forces 2 and 3 on table at game start up to 10” on rails/south road (enter
in column).
Forces 1 and 4 arrive move 5 on west road, enter in column.
Germans
1. Forward HQ 24/3 (senior officer, artillery spotter)
2. Recce command 30/2 (officer, scout, mortar spotter)
Sdkfz222 20/1 (scout, mortar spotter)
Sdkfz 231 6-rad 24/1 (scout, mortar spotter)
Infantry squad in 2 Protz 38/2
HMG team in Protz 21/1
Motorised panzerjaeger 26/2 (scout)
ATR team in heavy car 14/1
3. Sdkfz 221 16/1 (scout, mortar spotter)
Pz I platoon 40/3 (officer)
Pz II platoon 55/6 (officer)
Panzer III 34/3
Panzer IV 40/3
Infantry squad in 2 Protz
38/2
HMG team in Protz 21/1
75mm IG with tow 19/1
Bunkerflak 54/2
514 points, BR = 35, 4 officers, 5 scouts
Force 2 is on table at game start up to 10” on north road (enter in column)
Forces 1 and 3 arrive move 5. Dice for each arriving unit – 1, 2, 3,
4 enter in column on east road. 5, 6 arrive on board edge up to 10” south of
river.
Tank platoons and the infantry squad arrive as 1 'unit'.
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| North is to the bottom of the photo. This is the end of the first German turn - the Polish train and recce units are deployed (background), and the Germans have opted for a dash to the road bridge, which gets them onto the objective but with no chance to fire. This turned out to be a mistake. |
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| The armoured train and its recce draisine move cautiously out of Zamosc station towards the rail bridge. |
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| The puny 37mm on the 'Ursus' armoured car and the Polish anti-tank rifle team are quite powerful enough to penetrate the thin armour of the 2 leading German armoured cars, who have no chance to reply. The Polish infantry also shake out into formation and cause significant casualties to the supporting German infantry. |
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| Three German units, including a 37mm anti-tank gun, are diverted to the rail crossing north of the bridge, to stall the Polish train. |
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| Both bridges are quickly in Polish hands. I ignored an 'all objectives held' win. The Germans at the road bridge never recover from their initial drubbing and fall back. The Polish train grinds forward and takes the German blocking force under effective fire. By turn four the Germans are firmly on the back foot, but then their tank reinforcements arrive (top right). Could they turn the tide? Surely that train is a sitting duck? |
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| The train dominates the centre of the table... |
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| ...but the German tanks are on their way. |
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| The resulting firefight was intense, but despite the presence of the 'Bunkerflak' (right), the train more than held its own. The accounts of the very few occasions on which such trains were directly engaged emphasise the heavy firepower the trains could develop, and the difficulty of knocking out the various train components. Nevertheless, the two leading train cars are eventually destroyed. |
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| Unfortunately for the Germans, the Polish infantry and cavalry (including infantry from the assault car of the train) are pushing across the board, and help support the train just as the firefight is at its most intense. |
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| After 8 turns the Germans have suffered too many casualties to continue (39/35). The Poles are at 11/38, have both objectives, and so have clearly won. |
Despite also being played solo, I enjoyed this game immensely, and was pleased to see that a) workable rules for an armoured train in BGB could be developed, and b) armoured trains could be incorporated into a reasonable size game with success.
Game 3 - High Ground - Kursk
No photos of this game I'm afraid, which used another of the standard BG scenarios from the Kursk book, also to be found in the core rulebook. It was played with my old buddy Paul in Bristol, using his 20mm forces. We both chose simple armies of infantry and tanks, with no scout/recce units or off-table support. The game was played along the length of a 6' x 4' table.
The result was interesting. Tactically, it was perhaps uninspiring - the Germans advanced, engaged the dug-in Russian defenders as best they could, then took on the reinforcing Russian tanks when they arrived. Not much manoeuvre, more of a stand-up fight. But we had great fun, rolling the dice, wearing down the enemy and enjoying the twists and turns of the rules. For example, towards the end of the game my last surviving Panther moved forward, to then be engaged in flank by a T-34 hiding behind a burning Panzer IV. The Panther survived, was pinned, but then threw a 6 for morale, meaning it had a 'Beyond the Call of Duty' result. Accordingly, it immediately returned fire and knocked out the T-34!
The Germans lost soon after, as the Russians turned out to have just enough tanks to win the fight. The higher points values for vehicles mean that a platoon size game in 1943 has fewer units than one in 1939, so choices are restricted. This also seemed to mean that to reach one's battle rating, you have to lose significantly more than half your force, which in this battle gave a situation similar to those Old School battles from the 1960s when only a handful of figures survived on the winning side. This felt less than realistic, but we had plenty of good, knock-about fun.
What I came to realise during this battle, however, was that a well-rounded Battlegroup game depends on using the full variety of unit types and the full selection of available rules - or at least as many as you reasonably can. When I first acquired BGB I vowed not to bother with the ammo rules for vehicles - too much book keeping, I reckoned. Now I'm not so sure. Having to keep an eye on ammo consumption would have added an extra dimension to the game, perhaps moderating the non-stop shoot out that characterised most of the moves. One would have to think about alternative ways of getting the job done, which might increase the amount of manoeuvre in the game or encourage the purchase of off-table assets. And of course the purchase of a re-supply truck or two! I reckon using a couple of mini dice behind each tank to record ammo usage should be pretty painless.
The army lists provide many more alternatives that I should really be making use of - communications teams, off table artillery (expensive), timed fire missions/air strikes (a cheaper alternative to dedicated support), engineers, and logistic support (those resupply trucks). Lots of recce options are available as well.
Conclusions
I'm definitely enjoying these rules. Whether they're just a fairly lightweight WW2 game, or the heavily period specific, thorough representation that the rules introduction seems to promise, I'm not sure. Actually, I reckon it's both. A not-too-serious game which does try and get some campaign-specific character in.
Army Lists - grrr...
One thing I can't take too seriously are the army lists. These seem very precise and are beautifully laid out, but the choices don't always ring true. For example, my Germans can't have a motorcycle recce squad in 1939, but in 1940 they can. And despite 13 staffeln of HS-126s being deployed to Poland, I can't have an aerial artillery observer either. There are all kinds of little details like this. In short, the lists tend to be too proscriptive, and sometimes don't offer realistic alternatives. But this is always the way with army lists, and is the reason why I won't be offering them in my Seven Years' War rules. I'm pretty sure the authors are quite comfortable with people making their own choices, of course, and this is what most informed gamers will do, but it still makes the lists an occasionally inaccurate guide for the newcomer. And we all occasionally meet those misguided gamers to whom the lists are holy scripture.
Despite the pages of lists, actual OOBs of the various formations as they existed are absent. How does a German Light Division differ from a Panzer Division, for example? Or how was a Polish motorised brigade like the famous Black Brigade organised? No info. My own personal view is that such information is worth more than any number of army lists to a player new to the period. In addition, the rules do not require that units from the same platoon operate together in any way. Thus units from an infantry platoon can be scattered all over the table, even if they are the 2 units which are the components of the same 'squad' (e.g. the rifle group and mg group which make up a German infantry squad). For me, all this creates a situation where one gets rather divorced from reality, into a nether world of allowable army list choices.
Things are not helped by the rather interchangeable use of the terms 'squad', 'section', 'group' and 'team' when describing infantry units and their supports. Take the entry for a German infantry platoon on p.37. It consists of a command squad and then:
"3 Rifle Teams
Unit composition 9 men
Squad may take anti-tank grenades at +5pts".
So in one paragraph this collection of 9 men is a team, a unit and a squad (which elsewhere aren't necessarily the same thing).
Yes, I know, moaning about army lists is a bit of a wargaming cliché. If you're reading this Piers, sorry for the gripes. I guess I'm just not an army list man. Conclusion - the army lists have been made essential to the game, and generally they are OK, but IMHO some aspects of them are a bit flaky.
Anyway, having got that off my chest, I'll say farewell. 'Til the next time!
Anyway, having got that off my chest, I'll say farewell. 'Til the next time!
9 comments:
An excellent write up of all the games and some more informative comments on the rules themselves. Glad you are still enjoying the games. One thing that doesn't ring true to me are the re-supply trucks. As far as I'm aware, they were not used at the 'front', but the tanks had to disengage and move to the 'rear' for re-supply. This quibble could easily be overcome by some house rules I'm sure.
Thanks Keith. Always useful to read a review that's illustrated by some actual games. Your critiques are thoughtful.
Always interesting to see early war games, especially with an armoured train!
Cheers, M
Always fair comments mate... I dont get aggrieved at fair and balanced comments. Then again I dont get aggrieved at unfair ones! We wrote a game we want to play, not to make us rich (like that will ever happen!), and these books are a labour of love for us as we are gamers first and foremost. So I dont mind if people dont like the game. Rules preference is such a personal thing it aint worth worrying about. hopefully enough people liek the game to let us keep producing books till we get everything done that we want to play!
Of course if you want those M/C recce in 1939 just drop them in... I probably should have put them in and likely got missed in the finally edits. I shall note it as an addition for the errata for the book... Thankfully quite small at the moment!
Just on supply trucks... No its probably not realistic to have them up front and resupplying, but its a bit of fun when combined with the ammo counting (something tahts fundamental to the game in my view, especially later in the war) and we wanted people to have an ontable role for all your models... Otherwise whats the point in having them! So yes, sometimes our 'realism' gives in to playing with toy soldiers. We like our toys on table... Its why we have repair units, Comms units etc. At least they now have a role in the game.
I think your assessment of it being both a fast play game with period flavour is fair. Its what we wanted. For us Battlegroup is a game first and foremost... We didnt right a combat simulation. If you are enjoying it, then something we did is right!
We do however concentrate on the game being fun and playable. Sometimes we may tweak with reality a little in order to do this... But then most games do. At the end of the day we just want people to have fun playing with their toys.
As for Army Lists, well they are there as lots of people use them for pick up battles. I dont use them for historical games (as some of the hsitorical scenarios in the book show) but they are very useful for those players wanting a pick-up game down the club. I guess as having been brought up on army lists since 1984, they are another tool in teh box to use, or not use... I think its a strength with Battlegroup that you can ignore the lists for historical battles. But for those with less time, or wanting to just play a quick game at the club they offer that and with the restrictions and scenarios, we hope give forces that are in keeping with the period, stop the 'cheese' gaming seen in other games and offer a constant changing experience thanks to the scenario design.
And I love the armoured train...
Write the rules up and I will put them into the next issue of our Dispatches fanzine.
Thanks for commenting Piers. Overall, I must say I find the rules fascinating and have been spending a lot of time getting to know them and exploring the various nooks and crannies (if you know what I mean).
I have posted my armoured train rules on the Guild forum area, as part of the 'armoured train' thread. Your comments would be invaluable.
Keith.
Cool post! Great looking game
Hi Keith nice blog.On ammo counting ,afv with not a lot of ammo stugs marders ect,have an ammo number of 3,afv with say 5/7 shots,have an ammo number of 4,afv with 8+shots have an ammo number of 5,every time you shoot roll an ammo dice,= or less no ommo used,if you roll over,ie ammo number 5,you get 6,ammo number drops to 4,no book keeping,and you might get lucky and roll lots of 1s.have fun and tingker!
Keith, I was wondering what you used for the table covering/grass. I like the color and think it would look good on my own wargaming table.
Thanks.
Evan, the covering is an S&S Scenics felt gaming mat in grass green. I bought the 8' x 6' size. See the S&S website for details.
In these games I placed my hills on the mat, but the felt is particularly good at accepting hils placed under the mat, so with a bit of imagination you can create almost any set of hill features, using normal hill contours, or books, or padding of any kind.
A great looking game, this table is awesome...and I love your map!
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