tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post4472691445800550808..comments2024-03-28T21:00:41.841+00:00Comments on KEITH'S WARGAMING BLOG: Rick Priestley On Painting StandardsKeith Flinthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12903769462646267048noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-34042512003815801482014-12-25T18:53:39.733+00:002014-12-25T18:53:39.733+00:00This article has been moved: http://www.karwansar...This article has been moved: http://www.karwansaraypublishers.com/pw/wss/ws-s-online/painting-to-play/Dwarfy Mcgeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07978388101532232895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-80373477859334642072014-07-27T15:37:27.512+01:002014-07-27T15:37:27.512+01:00VERY interesting topic.
Here is my penny`s worth ...VERY interesting topic.<br /><br />Here is my penny`s worth (written long ago on my own site). <br /><br />http://shiftymushrooms.weebly.com/dungeon-master-rants-and-raves.htmlStephen Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01704275344468801259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-59379910107908929962014-01-06T01:14:44.628+00:002014-01-06T01:14:44.628+00:00I am a mediocre painter, but the images of other f...I am a mediocre painter, but the images of other figures do not discourage me. They inspire my dreams.stevejstricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-42393145421067486332013-12-11T19:06:51.629+00:002013-12-11T19:06:51.629+00:00I think the internet has a lot to do with increasi...I think the internet has a lot to do with increasing expectations. Wargamers are bombarded with images of great looking miniatures and therefore the bar is set higher, whether this is subconscious or not. Raglanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976285004504453262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-16145618377044359872013-12-03T05:23:31.891+00:002013-12-03T05:23:31.891+00:00I'm completely furious. Lets start a company a...I'm completely furious. Lets start a company and gear it to sell starter sets that are very expensive. Then we will put "exquisite" photo's of miniatures in a magazine that are way out of the skills of a beginning painter and then turn our backs on them...raise prices...and keep our marketing ploy geared to that kid having a temper tantrum in the local GW store cuz his parents don't want to shell out 250 bucks?!? This is a situation HE and GW created. Wargamers and painters just found a way to adapt. He needs to give his head a shake and look back to those days and reflect a bit.<br />Roger NilsonRoger Nilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08163525331625136078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-16870206219554644332013-09-14T13:38:11.635+01:002013-09-14T13:38:11.635+01:00To my shame I use pre cut bases as well. Though my...To my shame I use pre cut bases as well. Though my shame runs really deep not only am I a joiner to trade but live in Falkirk where Warbases hail from, and buy mine from Leon at Minibits.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139920897649719519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-73650352211829820692013-09-13T22:06:47.608+01:002013-09-13T22:06:47.608+01:00These days all my bases are bought from Warbases a...These days all my bases are bought from Warbases and are perfectly cut. <br /><br />I have nothing to hide but my laziness and incompetence.Keith Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12903769462646267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-91114311739559590832013-09-13T21:23:27.635+01:002013-09-13T21:23:27.635+01:00Come come Keith,
Plain Painted bases are the only...Come come Keith,<br /><br />Plain Painted bases are the only way to represent the beautiful lawns all Armies fought on. <br /><br />I suspect the use of Flock is to hide figures glued outwith stipulated spacing or dare I say hand made bases cut oversized and off the square.<br /><br />Must dash 2400 2mm Hoplites to lavishly paint in the 1/2hr before bed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139920897649719519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-79904680420889739322013-09-08T23:01:57.727+01:002013-09-08T23:01:57.727+01:00Now then Kodiak, I'll have you know my figures...Now then Kodiak, I'll have you know my figures are always block painted at least partly with enamels and always come on plain flocked bases. Plain flocking is the way forward in basing techniques, as far as I'm concerned. <br /><br />Fortunately I have never been the subject of any disparaging comments. Most people seem to quite like my minimalist, old school style. Or maybe they're just being polite.<br /><br />But further to your comment, there is a 4 page article on basing in WSS 68 (just out). Naturally, it wasn't of much interest to me;)Keith Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12903769462646267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-23160626426921550692013-09-08T10:36:05.197+01:002013-09-08T10:36:05.197+01:00As if the painting standards thing isn't enoug...As if the painting standards thing isn't enough. I was answering a question about base heights for 2mm figures when someone piped in about embarrassment of " your bases not being as good as everyone else "<br /> I've been away from clubs for 20 years and hope this kind of snobbery doesn't exist.<br /> What happens if you turn up with your old Minifigs painted with enamels on plain flocked bases ? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139920897649719519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-992068333268494682013-09-03T11:15:38.700+01:002013-09-03T11:15:38.700+01:00Great looking figures on a great looking table, er...Great looking figures on a great looking table, erm LOOK GREAT.<br />I myself paint for other gamers, I paint their figures better than I do my own.<br />This is simply because I need to get my own figures done so I can game with them.<br />If I had thought about this 20 years ago, I would deffo fall in the camp of, "works of Art".<br />Now though, I can honestly say, that with my fading eyesight and the urge to play with what is still sat on my paint bench, I fall in the "Just get it done" camp.<br />It's all about the gaming now for myself.<br />I enjoy playing with the little soldiers far more than just looking at them.Kevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02296421155011055301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-66185527434682501932013-08-27T17:06:14.603+01:002013-08-27T17:06:14.603+01:003D figures shouldn't need shading. A very dear...3D figures shouldn't need shading. A very dear friend of mine used to use highlighting to suggest polished boots rather than just gloss varnishing them, which I considered pure madness. The best looking figures I ever pained, to my mind, were painted with the sludge from the bottom of the enamel tin and then had the boots, etc. gloss varnished: at 25mm the texture of the paint looked just right for cloth. IIRC George Gush did something similar. I've since lost the courage to eschew varnishing. For me, paintwork should be effective when playing the game. Black undercoating, for instance, which I find easier, tends to make the figures disappear into the terrain, particularly with 15's; gloss varnishing helps them stand out. Peter Gilder wrote that a matt object poorly represents a living object and I can see his point (he with gloss for WW2 but gave a matt coat to his ACW stuff). What looks good in use can be different from what looks good under scrutiny or in a photo. That said, painting my nephew's fantasy stuff I used three layer shading and found it easier than my neurotic style of block painting.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14141347610924015952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-86863434647479832922013-08-26T11:46:54.017+01:002013-08-26T11:46:54.017+01:00As a professional painter i can say that as a youn...As a professional painter i can say that as a young lad i was inspired by what i would see in the Gaming magazines and i wanted to try and emulate what i saw. I personally see no issue with gaming magazines and miniature sellers showing off their products in the best light they can. over the last 20 odd years the war gaming industry has grown from strength to strength and the quality of figures and publications has never been so good. Nice looking products isn't the issue for the war gaming hobby its recruitment! Kids aren't scared off war gaming because they see great looking models - they just want everything the easy way and so are driven to PC and console gaming because its instantly gratifying. And lest be honest very stimulating. All hands on hobby's like modelling and war gaming, trains and other such fantastic past times aren't as interesting to modern children as they have the internet and other hi tech things in their faces from the youngest of ages. They need to be shown the fun that can come from painting and war gaming and expressing their creative sides. GW does a great job of getting the young kids excited. We just need to figure out how to keep them interested past their teenage years.Kiwicolourstudio@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00562959383939178348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-7566691486486559292013-08-23T21:05:38.724+01:002013-08-23T21:05:38.724+01:00As someone who enjoys painting sometimes and who e...As someone who enjoys painting sometimes and who employs others to paint constantly I don't see what the problem is.<br />When I was younger I would be inspired by well painted miniatures a lot them being painted for ads in the war games mags by professionals. I also found them useful to try and copy different techniques.<br />Willie Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06061421971813106397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-50896343041700757762013-08-23T20:31:52.853+01:002013-08-23T20:31:52.853+01:00Phyllion - thanks for your comment. Your phrase &#...Phyllion - thanks for your comment. Your phrase 'professionalisation of the hobby' is striking, and new to me.<br /><br />I appreciate what you mean when you say that this can be a positive thing. On the other hand, in an age when sharing is easier and more effective than ever, does professionalisation lead to hobbyists who want to sell to you rather than share? Is sharing better than selling, when it is possible in a niche hobby like ours?Keith Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12903769462646267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-10772866849539050602013-08-23T03:31:23.091+01:002013-08-23T03:31:23.091+01:00Probably just mad you can't paint to that stan...Probably just mad you can't paint to that standard. Otherwise I don't see any reason for even bringing up the subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-64397081948379230822013-08-22T20:13:29.618+01:002013-08-22T20:13:29.618+01:00To each their own: some are hyper-competitive tour...To each their own: some are hyper-competitive tournament gamers. Some paint exquisite works of art. Many of us fall between the extremes. But everyone should be allowed to enjoy their hobby howsoever they may choose. <br /><br />I see no problem at all in the professionalisation of the hobby: if anything it shows to me that it is in rude health. Phyllionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451215894349113521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-49341978648309476062013-08-22T14:38:55.987+01:002013-08-22T14:38:55.987+01:00"Loonatic" I may be, but I am happy in m..."Loonatic" I may be, but I am happy in my madness.<br />Over Open Sightshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07598427337787574766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-89543828155414701522013-08-22T08:19:25.280+01:002013-08-22T08:19:25.280+01:00Very interesting stuff! I'm a far from enthusi...Very interesting stuff! I'm a far from enthusiastic painter who's energy has been revitalised by products like Army Painter. They allow a 'block' painter like me to look good. I was one of those who haven't picked a paint brush in years...Advertising aside, I feel it's very important that we respect and encourage each and everyone's efforts and contributions to the hobby regardless of painting ability - it's supposed to be fun!Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05916177245242865502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-61753264700787972422013-08-22T07:54:12.731+01:002013-08-22T07:54:12.731+01:00I'm one of those responsible, being a full tim...I'm one of those responsible, being a full time painter and selling on eBay (War-painter) since the earliest days of eBay and have seen huge advances in quality since then.<br /><br />But hey we have to pay our bills too which for us means constantly striving to be better than the other guys selling on eBay. BTW Most people wouldn't get out of bed for the wages painters earn.<br /><br />If you can't paint then block paint and use a 'wash' which should give very good results. Good basing makes a huge difference in the look of figures and can make bad figures look great or very bad basing can make good figures look mediocre.<br /><br />My advice to people who find painting a real chore is to spend those hours doing overtime at work and buy what you want ready painted.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Lea (war-painter)Warpainterhttp://warpainter.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-30849800896368024202013-08-22T07:27:25.680+01:002013-08-22T07:27:25.680+01:00Well I'm an average painter, average wargamer...Well I'm an average painter, average wargamer that's been into the hobby for nigh on twenty years. I can honestly say that the images in magazines did influence me as a teen however I've learnt a few things since then. One off those being the magic of photoshop ( my wife is a graphic designer). It's actually quite disgusting how much it is used to "tart" up photos rather than just correcting them. I understand some of the arguments that others have quoted however my only real concern is for the immature gamers that don't even attempt to paint their models because they can't achieve the "pro" look.<br /><br /> When reading WSS I like the fact that some of the articles are from gamers who don't have armies painted to a pro standard, it shows that people are human.<br /><br /> All of us love a good bit of eye candy, however I much prefer to see it in the flesh ( shouldn't that be in the lead?) as you can really inspect the figure and get an idea of the techniques used.<br /><br /> And finally great blog Keith, and hats off to all the commission painters!Stephen Haranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052611372084200629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-82602308856017592792013-08-21T19:56:18.333+01:002013-08-21T19:56:18.333+01:00James - 'Sell the sizzle, not the steak'. ...James - 'Sell the sizzle, not the steak'. You're right. That encapsulates some of my reservations on this issue.Keith Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12903769462646267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-78973111412471269102013-08-21T19:54:47.445+01:002013-08-21T19:54:47.445+01:00Michael, thanks for your comment, and I appreciate...Michael, thanks for your comment, and I appreciate your enthusiasm. Unfortunately I am a lost cause. <br /><br />In response to your driving analogy, I would say I'm very happy to be driving my family saloon but don't intend to invest any money or time in learning to drive a racing car!<br /><br />Thanks again for taking the time to comment.Keith Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12903769462646267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-78006051678332916912013-08-21T19:12:56.566+01:002013-08-21T19:12:56.566+01:00Hiho
I paint miniatures now for 30 years. I am an...Hiho<br /><br />I paint miniatures now for 30 years. I am an ex GW employee and i was responible 5 years in a row to find the finalists on the german games day. so i was INTERESTED in painting technics and i INFORMED myself about new ideas and technics in painting. So my skills grew and grew and now as my painting Service is 1 year old i can say i have seen very very often high Standard painted miniatures on gaming tables. You must open your eyes and check the tutorials on the high Standard painters Blogs. I learned a lot from reading them and then tryouts.<br />So when you open your eyes and see those lil tricks the high Standard painters use you can see that it is much easier to paint higher Standards as you actually believe in. <br /><br />Open your eyes and try out thoe tutorials from MASSIVE VOODOO Blog and you will find the way to do it good and quick.<br /><br />ist all easier you think so jump over your shadow and just do it :D<br /><br />or have you been able to drive car without any Input or leading or tryout ? No<br /><br />so easy it is <br /><br />Try it<br /><br />greets<br />Micha<br />Jay's Wargame Painting<br />http://j-w-p.blogspot.co.at/JayCan.Blogspot.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04441555451791834253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1430463007570237159.post-61300844747987531792013-08-21T19:02:26.081+01:002013-08-21T19:02:26.081+01:00I paint my command and "front rank" troo...I paint my command and "front rank" troops to a higher standard then the rest. Even then, the fancy details can hardly be seen or noticed when playing a game. <br /><br />I love to paint, but I've stopped trying to make every figure stand out, especially when I still have 100 Mexicans yet to paint for the Alamo!Melanchthonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10408836522452429723noreply@blogger.com